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Gay groups are steamed at Pennsylvania Republican Senator Rick Santorum because he said something they didn't like. Here's what he said:

In an interview with The Associated Press, Santorum criticized homosexuality while discussing a pending Supreme Court case over a Texas sodomy law.

"If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual (gay) sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything," Santorum, R-Pa., said in the interview, published Monday.


It's an odd sort of slippery-slope argument, and one that's not likely to gain much traction one way or the other in the debate over sodomy laws, and deserves criticism. But is it a removable offense? Human Rights Campaign thinks so:

We're urging the Republican leadership to condemn the remarks. They were stunning in their insensitivity, and they're the same types of remarks that sparked outrage toward Sen. Lott," said David Smith, a spokesman for the Human Rights Campaign, the nation's largest gay advocacy organization. "We would ask that the leadership reconsider his standing within the conference leadership."


To which I say "Balderdash!" Note whom the HRC singles out for criticism here--Sen. Lott, the left's favorite whipping boy. It should be pointed out that when Sen. Lott got into trouble, the GOP cleaned the mess up itself, not because pressure from the left forced it to, but because internal dissension made it necessary. Rank and file Republicans wanted Lott out of his post as Senate majority leader because he'd shown such awful judgement, as well as the offensive substance of his remarks. His history of questionable comments didn't help him here either.

Note also whom the HRC didn't single out for comparison. HRC didn't compare Santorum's comments to former Rep. Cynthia McKinney, whose anti-Semitic rants got her bounced out of office. The HRC didn't compare Santorum to Rep. Jim Moran, whose anti-Semitic remarks get him into trouble fairly regularly. The HRC didn't compare Santorum to Rep. Patty Murray, who praised Osama bin Laden's Third World charity work while lamenting America's comparative lack of charity (which is true, provided you don't count the foreign aid budget, the UN budget, and the Peace Corp as well as scads of US-based non-government actors providing food, medicine and other essentials to the world's starving every single day, and provided you don't count the rebuilding of Japan and Europe that the US underwrote after World War II. If you don't count all that, sure, Osama may be more charitable than the US...). The HRC didn't compare Santorum to Rep. Mary Kaptur, who compared Osama bin Laden to George Washington. And the HRC didn't compare Santorum to the other HRC--Hillary Clinton--who has never really been given a sufficient blast for her "Jew bastard" comment. Why didn't the HRC bring up any of these names? They're all Democrats. It all comes down to partisanship.

As a result, they'll get no traction with me. To their calls for Santorum's removal, I say "Absolutely not." Forget it. You folks have no credibility.

What I see going on here is a "separate from the herd" strategy. When a Dem says something absurd, the party aparatchiks circle around them and try their best to protect them from criticism. They'll use any weapon at hand--they'll cite free speech, censhorship, whatever, as though political criticism automatically becomes sinister when it's directed in their direction. But when a Republican says something dumb or wrong, the lefty groups attack in packs, trying to separate the unfortunate Republican from the rest and kill them off politically. They first tried it with Bush, smearing allegations that he ran away from 9-11, or that he planned the whole thing, or that he's opportunistically using it to benefit his oil buddies. That got nowhere, so they tried a similar strategy against Cheney, which also went nowhere. Then they went after Rumsfeld with the "not enough troops" angle, and though they're still running that one in some quarters the war's outcome has largely refuted it. They made it work against Lott, largely because his history suggested they might be on to something. Now, the left is just looking for Republicans to step out somewhere and say something edgy. When it happens, the left's jackal squads will pounce. They tried it with Secretary of Education Rod Paige a week or so back, when he said something innocuous yet positive about Christian schools. They're doing it to Bush's judicial nominees--separating them from the administration by calling them "extremists," etc and blocking floor votes. Because of his gay marriage comment, Santorum happens to be the today's potential carrion.

UPDATE: Ramesh Ponnuru takes on Andrew Sullivan's take and dices it. And here is the original interview in which Santorum courted trouble. It's fairly clear to me that the AP reporter is baiting Santorum with provacative lines of questioning. It's also abundantly clear that Sen. Santorum is making an essentially legal argument that striking down sodomy laws will create a slippery slope leading to the legalization of all sexual practices. Whether you agree with the senator's assessment or not, that's the point he's making--he never equates homosexuality with beastiality, as much of the coverage seems to insinuate.
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Posted by B. Preston on April 22, 2003 2:11 PM
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Having someone with the mind of Santorum in Government, period, is a frightening prospect. I think this goes way past the ‘slippery slope’ angle. Who in their right mind would claim that homosexuality/sodomy ‘leads’ to bigamy, polygamy, incest and adultery? Forget about insensitivity (a ridiculous charge from fellow adults!), what about plain intelligence? Shouldn’t Santorum be expected to use that gray matter between his ears? When I heard his comments I had to break out laughing hysterically simply for their stupidity! (This goes beyond left, right, Democrat, Republican!)

(Before anyone makes wise cracks about my ‘orientation’, I’ll let it be known that I am NOT the subject of Santorum’s rants! )

Posted by Gene on April 23, 2003 3:16 AM

Oh - forgot one more thing: why should the government be in the business of policing such activities as bigamy, polygamy, and adultery? (I know there ARE polygamy laws, but even these are silly - unless someone is held against their will, who is the victim?) I had no idea that there were actual criminal statutes against these? If there are, they must surely be within a minority of states, and not on a Federal level? What’s next, making adulterers wear scarlet letters on their clothes?

Posted by Gene on April 23, 2003 3:20 AM

He’s not saying one “leads” to the other, just that from a legal point of view if you don’t draw the line somewhere pretty soon you’re not drawing the line anywhere.

As for your other arguments, the tide is turning the other way. No one will be pushing scarlet letters; in fact, the laws at the center of this dispute will likely go away soon.

Whether Santorum should stay or go is up to the voters of Pennsylvania, and I for one absolutely refuse to join in a crusade against him as long as the Dems refuse to clean up their own house on a whole range of issues.

Posted by Bryan on April 23, 2003 11:15 AM

I read the unedited interview at the Fox website. The interviewer asked dumb questions. But Santorum gave dumber, scarier answers. In effect, he opposes ‘deviant’ behaviors, even in the privacy of one’s home and when the behavior is between consenting adults. So what is deviant? Does he get to define it? Do we want the police bursting in and arresting folks for enjoying sex if Santorum finds the act deviant?

Posted by Adara on April 23, 2003 1:42 PM

Obviously not. The laws in question, which are likely to be struck down relatively soon anyway, are practically never enforced. Nobody’s talking about sending cops into bedrooms; he’s actually talking about defending a law that’s currently on the books that no one pays much attention to but that speak to the nation’s sense of morality. That’s a big difference.

Personally, I don’t have a clear stance on those laws. They don’t seem Constitutional, but I’m not an authority on that. They certainly don’t seem effective, else a whole lot of people would be living one step ahead of the law. They do fall into the area of legislating morality, but name me a law that isn’t intended to legislate morality in some way. That’s a major impetus behind passage of most laws. We talk about passing campaign finance, whatever, as “cleaning up” something that needed cleaning up. That’s legislating morality.

I think people need to take a deep breath and actually study the legal context of his remarks a little bit before spouting off about policing bedrooms. I don’t mean to be disrespectful, but that’s idiotic. Santorum made a slippery-slope argument that if you strike down basic sodomy laws you’re weakening laws covering other behaviors, which is debatable but possibly true. Doesn’t mean he’s right to defend that law, but it doesn’t mean his critics get to declare open season on him either.

Posted by Bryan on April 23, 2003 3:27 PM

Nobody should be surprised at the HRC’s reaction; they are a partisan political group and they are paid to play the partisan political game. Neither the GOP nor the Dems can afford to throw stones in this regard.

Still, Santorum’s remarks were at least ill-advised. You can jump all over the Left for trying to demonize him, but he alone is responsible for the words that come out of his mouth. It’s no different from Republican groups jumping all over Hillary Clinton whenever she says something stupid. In a perfect world, Democrats would castigate Clinton when that happened, and the GOP would do likewise with Santorum, but that is not likely. Republicans are defending Santorum’s “intent” if not his actual words. Who is left to hold him accountable? Democrats.

I am constantly surprised that the party of limited government would so vigorously espouse intrusive sodomy laws. To justify Santorum’s remarks by saying “the line has to be drawn somewhere” implies that the line ought to be drawn as restrictively as the government can get away with. Our system of government was not founded on the principle of greatest restriction, but that of greatest freedom.

Here’s where the line should be drawn: non-consensual sexual acts as well as acts that harm non-consenting participants should be illegal. Consensual sexual acts that are not harmful to non-participants should be protected.

This in no way creates a “right” to abuse children or engage in bestiality; children are legally incapable of consent. And if human children cannot consent, much less can animals.

Posted by Brandon on April 26, 2003 3:25 AM
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