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DAVID KAY'S SMOKING GUN

The Kay report contains a reference to botulinum toxin, and the fact that investigators found a live vial of it in the home of an Iraqi scientist. Botulinum is in fact a weapon of mass destruction--it's the most poisonous known substance. According to the Johns Hopkins University Center for Civilan Biodefense Studies:

Botulinum toxin poses a major bioweapons threat because of its extreme potency and lethality; its ease of production, transport and misuse; and the potential need for prolonged intensive care in affected persons. Botulinum toxin is the single most poisonous substance known.

For years prior to the Gulf War Iraq was known to be working with botulinum. It was illegal for Iraq to possess any capability to produce NBC (nuclear, biological or chemical) weapons, and botulinum could very easily be turned into a bioweapons.

This find is a smoking gun--Iraq possessed the capability to produce a weapon of mass destruction. Secretary of State Colin Powell agrees:

Asked [after the presentation of the Kay report] whether he believed weapons of mass destruction would ultimately be found in Iraq, Powell replied with a rhetorical question: "Do you think vials of botulinum should constitute a weapon of mass destruction?"

I happen to like this response, as it indicates the the Bush team believed all along that the war was justified and now has the proof to back it up. It also indicates a certain impatience on Powell's part to play word games with the press on such grave matters, which is heartening. Maybe they'll finally get back to playing offense in the domestic political war and the real war too.

So we have found a WMD in Iraq. We will probably find more. It remains for the world to realize what this means.

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Posted by B. Preston on October 3, 2003 6:41 PM
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Then can someone explain why Lawrence Korb of The Center For American Progress just pronounced on MSNBC that the Kay report proved that there are no WMD in Iraq. Either Kay and Powell are wrong or Korb lied.

Posted by logiccop on October 3, 2003 9:49 PM

Trouble is, a rhetorical question is not enough for the committed Commies and Saddammies who populate our “media”. What would be enough? Maybe a duel. “Speak the truth or step outside!”

Posted by ockham on October 3, 2003 10:40 PM

so are you saying the US isn’t interested in or developing the very same? Oh, that’s right. You don’t care as long as the US is doing it.

‘bsti’:

I am quite sure that the U.S. is “interested in” botulinum toxin only in so far as we may have to defend against it, and not “developing” (i.e. manufacturing) it unless that is the only way test our defenses.

Are you saying the U.S. is developing botulinum toxin with the purpose of releasing it on unsuspecting enemies? If so, you are a liar or a fool. If not, you certainly look as if you are trying to muddy the distinction between countries that can be trusted not to poison their enemies and those that cannot. Why would you be doing that?

To put it in very simple terms: if I see a group of tough guys driving down the street at twice the speed limit with their fingers on the triggers of some very lethal weapons, it doesn’t bother me, if they are policemen on their way to a crime scene. If they are criminal thugs on their way to kill, rob, or rape innocent civilians, I deeply disapprove. Does that make me a hypocrite? Or just a sensible guy who thinks it obvious that some weapons are quite properly in the hands of policemen but may not be appropriate for possession by criminals?

(Note to discourage tangents: I am well aware that Police vs. Criminals is not a perfect metaphor for Democracies vs. Brutal Dictatorships, and I am not saying anything about gun control, which is quite properly applied to convicted criminals in any case. My point is limited to showing the absurdity of the argument that if one group of people is allowed to have some weapon, everyone else must be allowed to have them too.)

I completely and 100% trust that the US will never have to use biological weapons in the future. I wonder though, would Israel show as much restraint as America would? Not that the Biological Weapons Convention has stopped nations from research, but as far as I can Israel has refused to even sign on.

Posted by Kyle B on October 4, 2003 10:12 AM

wow! the usefull idiots indoctrinated with moral relativism by the left never fail to astound me with thier lack of critical thinking skills.

dr. weevil dont bother, he either knows what he’s doing or he’s just another trained chimp that only apears to have human cognition.

either way he wont admit to the rational reality of your argument, because he’s trying to convince other feeble minded fools that america is the real bad guy and saddam wasnt so bad or dangerous.

Posted by rumcrook on October 4, 2003 11:23 AM

bsti So give me documentation on the number of times the U.S. has used chemical weapons. Please keep the list short if you can.

Posted by logiccop on October 4, 2003 3:15 PM

The behavior of the Establishment media, in its hysterical insistence that there weren’t any significant discoveries by David Kay & Co, is like wilful blindness. Them’s ostriches talking.

Posted by Insufficiently Sensitive on October 4, 2003 7:00 PM

If we’re building up stocks of botulinum, it’s a safe bet we’re doing it for the benefit of plastic surgeons. (Love that Botox.)

logiccop - The U.S. government may not have used chemical or biological weapons as the means to destroy lives (conventional weapons work just as well for that end); but I think it is safe to say that the only biological warfare that has been visited on the U.S. (anthrax) was probably initiated by someone within the U.S. who had access to government-supported research and development in biological WMD agents.

I am pointing this out not to defend the atrocities of the Saddam regime and his immoral use of chemical weapons on his own people. Nor am I in any way attempting to equate U.S. policy, which I believe on the whole is the most humane in the world, with that of evil rogue states. Rather, I am simply pointing out that governments that tinker with WMDs of the biological or chemical variety, regardless of good intentions, must be prepared to assume some responsibility for tragic accidents or, worse, nefarious individual misuse of such deadly weapons that fall into the wrong hands.

Posted by Jimmy Huck on October 5, 2003 9:59 AM

Just a quick reminder of a news story concerning a Florida doctor remembering treating two of the highjackers for lesions consistant with anthrax exposure (and with equal quickness, buried); added to the Czech intel report of Atta’s meeting with a Iraqi spook (which they STILL stand by) might paint a alternative picture to Mr. Huck’s.

The CIA’s excessive willingness to paper over matters that don’t neatly fit does not negate alternative senarios. We must face the reality that there are far too many ‘politically reliable’ drones in the FBI and CIA that were assets in the previous administration that are little better the doorstops when measured against the needs of the current administration.

It’s an unpleasant thought, but one that must be faced squarely.

Posted by CPT. Charles on October 5, 2003 2:26 PM

Jimmy Huck Tragic as it was the death toll in the U.S. anthrax attack, does not compare to the number of dead Iranians, Kurds and Shi’a perpetrated by Iraq. I absolutely agree about the nature of all WMD, but if the gate keeper to hell has to be someone let it be the United States. What disappoints me is the frankness I see in this comments column hasn’t begun to set in for those in our government who keep screaming Show Me The WMD.

Posted by logiccop on October 5, 2003 6:27 PM
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