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More Devil's Advocate: Ace responds...(UPDATE)

...not to me so much as to J-Pod, which makes me all sad and mopey because I at least linked to Ace and JPod was a no-linkydink.

...the main issue is whether the stories are true, but given the fact that TNR is taking its sweet old time confirming what ought to have been confirmed before, it's worth noting that 1) this guy was chosen not for any obvious credentials, but because he was the easiest guy to find, and 2) further was chosen, likely, because his previous wannabe-Hemmingway blogfarts demonstrate his strong partisan commitment against the war and anyone who supports it. "Chickenhawks," he calls all war supporters, apparently including actual war veterans in the "chickenhawks" category.

So, let's recap:

1) No obvious experience of credentials to recommend him above anyone else

2) Except the ease of recruiting him

3) A strong, previously-known record of strong partisan and anti-war animus

4) A passionate supporter of Howard Dean, who was anti-war before anti-war was cool.

None of these actually prove his reportage is false. They do, however, suggest that Foer was very sloppy in assigning this guy to be the Baghdad Diarist, seems to have hired him out of expediency rather than as the result of a long, careful candidate search, and deliberately picked a strong partisan who could be expected to reliably churn out anti-military pieces.

All of which, incidentally, suggests that Foer was especially derelict in not fact-checking this guy's ass.

It does, as but longtime readers of the JYB will know...the dirty secret is that no magazine fact checks...except maybe Penthouse. The reasons are economic and ideological.

Back in the day, Reader's Digest actually would pay to send reporters--and presumably editors--around the world to get the facts straight. But what was TNR to do? Send an assistant editor to Baghdad to count dead dogs with Hum-vee tracks in their heads? They don't have RD's budget. Are they simply not supposed to publish reports from abroad if they can't send a second person to scope out everything their reporter writes--especially into the middle of a war?

As for the lack of long hiring process: Foer hired someone whose gut told him he could trust and who was more of a known quantity. He appears to have miscalculated badly. He may also have chosen him for ideological sympathies. I can't really fault Foer for that, either: If I were to send someone to report where I couldn't I would probably want to send someone whose biases I understood and shared--especially if I were writing a political magazine.

Duh, they're liberals at TNR. They wanted a liberal. Their readers wanted a liberal. Big surprise they picked a Deaniac.

I'm not defending Foer here, since he willingly abetted the slander of our troops. But I think his main error comes in failing to take credibly the informed criticism that started coming in once Beauchamp's reports came through. Dismissing it as partisan and ignoring it presumed too much, and that presumption is what I see as Foer's most grievous sin, one that may well derail his career.

UPDATE: Chris in the comments on the entry below:

There is a huge “so what?” issue.

I sincerely doubt that someone who intimately knew the actual “Scott Thomas” wouldn’t have immediately recognized that a tale such as the one of “Scott” insulting the woman at the “chow hall” as being completely out of character. Thus, the fiancee/wife should have immediately flagged the piece as BS. “Scott” wasn’t attributing his behavior to someone else and his blog screed certainly leads on to conclude he is a creature of the PC culture.


That's a good point. Did Miss TNR Liberal really marry someone who writes gleefully and without remorse about laughing at burn victims and squashing puppies? Was she reading all this and thinking, "that's my hubby!" Or maybe "My God, I've married a sociopath!"

Or maybe "Wow, Scott's really laying it on thick, isn't he?"

Was she complicit in these stories? Did she think they seemed a little out of character? Did she say anything to Foer? (Probably not--do most people go tell their boss that their spouse needs to be fired, or try to correct the problem through persuasion?)

Fair questions; probably not ones we'll ever see answered.

UPDATE: And now that I'm thinking about it: if the weird transformation of Beauchamp from PC liberal into soulless, puppy-squashing killbot bothered Elspeth Reeves, it probably also didn't escape the notice of Franklin Foer who hired him and was therefore presumably familiar with his former work. I mean some vetting went on, right?

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Posted by SeeDubya on July 26, 2007 2:26 PM
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> All of which, incidentally, suggests that Foer was especially derelict in not fact-checking this guy’s ass. It does, as but longtime readers of the JYB will know…the dirty secret is that no magazine fact checks…

I understand the difficulty for that mag to do fact-checking. But didn’t TNR say (or imply) that all the stories told by STB WERE fact-checked before publication?

Posted by Arthur on July 26, 2007 3:49 PM

Another question is: what was someone like “Gracie,” who was feeding Ace info, doing working at TNR? I would have expected more ideological purity among their ranks.

Not at all, Geoff. You’ll see some right-leaning names on their masthead: http://www.tnr.com/masthead.mhtml

I’ve always thought of them as centrist liberals, and fairly pro-troop, which made the Beauchamp thing surprising.

Not the impression I had, but I usually only read the more outrageous articles linked by conservative blogs. I’ll defer to your assessment.

The Internet is a crazy, hmmm, what the right word, entity for lack of a better word and used so I don’t lose my train of thought. It’s taken the traditional system on many a subject and shaken them up so that various task and methods are all mixed up and are done randomly now. It’s has also allowed the task to basically be unassigned or self-assigned. Organization in completing an objective isn’t, in a sense, assembly line construction anymore, it’s more like everyone throws parts made on the conveyor belt and the product gets put together at the end.

I essentially agree with Podheretz, earlier vocalized by Mudville in some respect and Blackfive in others both very eloquently but other mils as well, that the accuracy and truthfulness of Beauchamp’s “discreet view” (along with his conduct associated with it) and it verification is the most important.

But that is not the whole story, not the only concern. The US military, and by association it’s members, have a stake for good reasons and while integral to the first are also somewhat separate, too. Weekly Standard and other mags have a stake in this story as a result of the a mainstream magazine, TNR’s actions as it will affect them for journalistic reasons. Then there is the public, too, for reasons of trust, etc..

In finding the answers to all the who’s, what’s, where’s, why’s, and how’s there is a lot of data to be collected. The Internet causes a lot more of that data to be collected all at once whether it is the most important or not.

This doesn’t make it wrong it just makes it collected before it may be needed. It’s the way it’s going to happen when the number of researchers is an army not a department or an individual. Podheretz may want the system to work the old way, but it isn’t going to happen. He, we, need to keep that in mind.

Posted by Dusty on July 26, 2007 4:48 PM

I don’t think that Foer should have been expected to send fact checkers out, physically. I do think that he should have asked more probing questions. My executive officer used to advise the wardroom, “when you see a neat story wrapped up like a tight ball of yarn, there is often a thread sticking out. Give that thread a tug. You’ll get an explanation. Give another tug. Do it three times. If it holds together, that story is probably true. But you’d be amazed how often, you can unravel a ball of yarn. I think that Fore lacked the world-saviness and skepticism to do that yarn tugging. He needs to acquire it.

I also think that he should explain what facts were checked. He has defeneded that story as having been fact checked. But not cited the specifics. And he seems to be scrambling to do follow up checking. Reminds me of the scramble to find document examiners and the long slow unwind of the Rathergate.

Also, why were STB and Foer including these reports if they did not think that they aerwe explanatory of something in general in Iraq, in the US military? STB says that thess are kust his vignettes and should not describe soldiers in general. But then we have defenses that problems are common. And at the end of the day, is it really relevant if a redneck with a Bradley decided to run over a dog? No. It’s manipulation and scandal mongering.

P.s. I’m actually against the war in Iraq as a waste of money and geopolitical engergy. But not for these kind of silly, “watched too many war movies” memes.

P.s.s. Sorry about the typos. The comment box here does not display all tex and even with a preview window, it’s difficult to correct errors.

Posted by TCO on July 26, 2007 4:51 PM
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