Ouch. Hard truth.

Maybe now that the Name Recognition Factor and the Evangelical Factor have each had their days in the sun, the Common Sense Factor will begin to prevail.

A girl can dream.

This is the most hideous thing I’ve seen this attack on Mike Huckabee by some of the right’s pundits. For the last 8 years these conservative bloggers and political commentators been complaining they want family values back, and an America back following the Constitution. But, they don’t really mean that. It’s all hotair. They gotta candidate in Mike Huckabee who can do it for them - Huck puts out an incredibly strong immigration plan screaming to them he is listening to their complaints - he’s gonna build a border fence, etcetera, etcetera, and what do they do? They attack Huck! Unbelievable! And let me tell you people are noticing this too. Rudy is much worse than Mike in many areas, yet they’ve essentially left him alone. What a bunch of hypocrites!

Best regards, apacallyps

”* Please note the If..and…then construction of this sentence. If you never appealed to party unity before but now you’re saying you’ll bail, I’m not talking to you.”

I think you need to take the “never” out. It doesn’t make sense otherwise. particularly in light of the sentence you are clarifying.

Dusty, it makes sense. He’s saying “If you never said before that Dobson was a jerk for trying to split the party or something similar, and you are saying you’ll bail now over Huckabee, then this post is not aimed at you.”

It’s only aimed at people who DID say before that Dobson is a jerk for encouraging people to bail over Rudy AND are now saying they’ll bail over Huck.

Bullcrap, Huck’s a Democrat with a Bible and Rifle, all the attacks on him are warranted, he’s not what we wanted. Rudy and Huckabee are a yin and yang of badness for the GOP, both will cause splits in the coalition. Huck is compassionate conservatism on steroids, and you know what, compassionate conservatism isn’t conservatism, and it sucks ass. The guy is a liar on the border, he’s been aggro for open borders for nearly a decade, do you believe he’ll not betray us? You might not know this apacallyps, but Huck’s got a real nasty streak, he’ll screw us the second he thinks he’ll get away with it, and given the media, that’ll be immediately.

He wants to use the Federal government like his personal mission church…eff that. I’m about small gov’t, and his whisperings about dismantling the IRS is like a phone sex hotline for fiscal cons, it sounds great, but its not really a nubile coed on the other end of the line, and you won’t like the bill you get either. Ditto on the Human Life Amendment and the Marriage Amendment.

I was worried about splits in the coalition with Rudy, but I had never anticipated this. I had resigned myself to Rudy if he were to be chosen, but I can’t support Huck, and I can’t support Rudy now either. I didn’t realize what was on the line, its not just the 08 election, it could well be the conservative coalition itself.

That’s it, Anwyn. I just muddied the waters by using all those negatives. If you just can’t vote for Huckabee in the general election, well, I sympathize (but I still think that’s a DUMB MOVE). I’m just targeting the pundits who played the party-unity card before when it was to their guy’s advantage.

Mitt has my vote. Fred is a distant second. I’ll vote for Rudy but I’m not thrilled by him. Won’t cast a vote for McCain.

Not only will I not vote for Huckabee, I’m leaving the GOP if he gets the nod. And I’m going to actively persuade as many Republican family members, friends, etc to leave the party and not vote for Huckabee.

Listen I didn’t like the social conservatives and their veiled threat to vote 3rd party if Rudy gets the nod, I would have started trying to convince my Democrat friends to come on over to our side (same with Mitt) to combat that. Or to try and reason with my evangelical friends.

But Huckabee is different. His bible thumping rhetoric is ruining the GOP. He has turned our primary into a Sunni/Shiite religious doctrinal divide. Ugly stuff.

The GOP is imploding because this man has pandered to a religious bigotry to win an election.

And to top it off he’s got a lousy record as Governor e.g. high taxation, huge spending, pilfering gifts & funds for his own gain. His view to quarantine AIDS patience is contemptible and woefully uninformed. His views about women being submissive, good little women that is just coming out.…..his foreign policy blunders.….Cuba.…..I could go on and on.…good grief!!!

I feel like I’m watching a bad Hollywood movie and all the negative stereotypical views the far left has about Republicans has been distilled into Mike Huckabee’s campaign.

If he gets the nomination, and that seems to be the trend, the GOP deserves to lose the White House for being so stupid.

[Anwyn on December 14, 2007 4:30 PM]

Initial Comment: If appealed to loyalty before; now declares to bail, then will not talk to.

Clarifying Comment: If never appealed to loyalty before; now declares to bail; then will not talk to.

I think he means to say “ever” not “never”. Otherwise, he’s pretty much saying he won’t talk to anyone who isn’t loyal whoever is the nominee.

Ah, I think I see the problem, Dusty—it’s the “I’m not talking to you” part. I didn’t mean “…then I will never speak to you”; I meant “then this particular post isn’t directed at you.”

Got it, See-Dubya. It makes sense now that you did not intend to just say the same thing twice. You are using the biblical “what is and what is not” style explanation. Thanks.

Even though I’m fiercely Independent, it’s still disheartening to watch the Party commit suicide. Which it is, you know. Maybe you can’t see it because y’all are inside the muck, but it’s as plain as day to those of us conservatives on the outside.

I would never in a million years vote for Fuckabee - that would be worse than voting for Jimmah Cahtah. The only guy who has earned an ® vote from me is Duncan Hunter. Too bad the Republican Party is so shit-faced they can’t see him.

he’s still preferable to any Democrat out there

Uh, no, he’s not. He’d be about the same level of godawful.

The Dunc is the nifteh. Big fan. Want to see more.

It might matter symbolically whether conservative leaders and bloggers support Huckabee if he’s the nominee. But in the election it might make the difference between him getting 35% and say, 37%. And he’ll drag down scores of Pro-life, conservative candidates with him at every level.

I disagree with this comparison, there’s no inconsistency. Rudy pledged to the social cons that if they elected him, he’d give them the judges that they want, and would safeguard the courts on the issues that matter to them. It’s not like a president can do much else to push a social con agenda anyway. As a fiscal conservative and national security hawk, Huckabee offers me absolutely nothing. Where is the quid pro quo if I vote for him? How is he going to be better than a Democrat on the size of government, immigration, taxes, and national security? The Supreme Court is going to decide the 2nd Amendment issue next summer anyway, so the fact that he’s pro gun means nothing. In fact, I think Hillary will be tougher on national security than Huckabee, and either way, my taxes are getting raised, so screw it, when the economy goes in the toilet, I want Democrats taking the blame.

Say what you want, I’m beginning to like Huck more and more. He has a great sense of humor and some pretty good ideas. Pundents don’t tell me how to vote! I decide for myself, and - I’m Voting For Mike Huckabee!!!

I hear you, see-dubya, but it’s going to be tough. On the one hand, I was appealing to party unity when it looked as though Giuliani was going to be the nominee so to be consistent, I should be willing to vote for Huckabee.

On the other, appealing to party unity got me nowhere, so part of me feels as though voting for Huckabee would only reward his supporters for their complete unwillingness to compromise before their guy was on top.

But who am I kidding? I’ll probably end up voting for Huckabee in the general.

Then I’ll drink as I watch the map turn blue that evening.

Look at what Simcox said today about Huckabee, co-founder of the Minuteman, the minuteman org. can not endorse any candidates, even if they could, they would not endorse Huckabee or his failed immigration plan.

HUckabee has said at a LULAC convention that he favors open borders, just listen to what the hispanic groups and writers are saying about Huckabee, they are in love with him. If we vote in another candidate like Bush, with regard to the immigration position, that fight again within the party will permanently break it up. By the way, did you know Huckabee’s plan calls for illegals to leave the country and then turn around within 24 hours and come back into the country as a legal resident. He also wants to increase the numbers allowed into the country, but will not say how many, so all you have to do is go up to the border, fill out the papers and then walk on in, walla, no more illegal immigration.

I agree, I can not vote for Rudy, Huck, or McCain, Huckabee is an out of work politician who needs a job. We have to look at the other candidates and vote on them, then fully support that candidate.

Hey sinistar, your ridiculous little opinion has been noted. By the way, your name describes your comments. Take a poll on your street corner. Most Republicans don’t want a murde…. ahem, a pro-abortionist leading the way for them (you know who that excludes). They don’t want someone who calls themselves Christian, but believes all kinds of strange things (take a guess). Nor do they want someone blaming America for all the troubles in the world either (got that one right did you). No political correctness here. Christians are fed up with the atheists, evolutionists, secularist, homosexuals, and everyone else taken over most everything the Christians started and ruining good institutions like… Yes, Harvard, Yale, and Princeton were once Christian schools, funded by the government and families that could afford it. Most of the colleges in the United States that started over 300 years ago were Bible-proclaiming schools originally. Now look at your Universities – an infestation of liberal nut cases who favor America’s enemies over America itself! (ie, Iran’s president Ahmadinnerjacket’s invitation at Columbia University to speak – they clapped and cheered him on!!). We want a GOD fearing man in the White House. Mike Huckabee is a good start! We’ll throw in Duncan Hunter or Tancredo as Vice President too!! (Proverbs 1:7) The only people trying to ruin Huckabee’s run to the top here are the right’s pundits, one of which, is Michelle Malkin. I’m usually a fan, but she has lost her mind on this one!!! Give your head a shake Michelle!

I always find it interesting that Huckabee’s supporters so quickly resort to ad hominem when their candidate’s record is pointed out.

I apologize as I’m not trying to attack anyone personally. I get sarcastic sometimes, that’s all. We’re just fed up with Michelle Malkin and her ilk as they work 24/7 SMEARIN Mike Huckabee. Not to mention they tell regular people who like him we “just don’t understand the issues.” Give me a break! How condescending!!

Huckabee releases immigration plan http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Issues.View&Issue_id=26

My Summary The Christian right is supporting Mike Huckabee, but the right’s pundits are not. In fact, many of them are trying to sabotage his campaign. Case in point:

Rush’s Hit-Piece on Huckabee http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu-ZSSaZELM

I apologize as I’m not trying to attack anyone personally. I get sarcastic sometimes, that’s all. We’re just fed up with Michelle Malkin and her ilk as they work 24/7 SMEARIN Mike Huckabee. Not to mention they tell regular people who like him we “just don’t understand the issues.” Give me a break! How condescending!! My Summary: The Christian right is supporting Mike Huckabee, but the right’s pundits are not. In fact, many of them are trying to sabotage his campaign. Case in point: Do a Google Video search for “Rush’s Hit-Piece on Huckabee”. Caio.

I don’t know whether to let apacallyps’ response act as my rebuttal, or to cut it to shreds.

Know what, I’m in a fightin’ mood, let’s do this,

Hey sinistar, your ridiculous little opinion has been noted.

There’s that Northeastern RINO elitism we’ve heard so much abou…oh wait!

By the way, your name describes your comments.

My name describes a classic arcade game. BEWARE I LIVE!

Take a poll on your street corner.

There’s a prostitution joke there, but I got nothin’

Most Republicans don’t want a murde…. ahem, a pro-abortionist leading the way for them (you know who that excludes).

And I noted Rudy would be nearly as damaging to the coalition as Huck, implying his abysmal record on abortion, among other things. Learn to read, dumbass.

They don’t want someone who calls themselves Christian, but believes all kinds of strange things (take a guess).

Many of the Founding Fathers were Deists, would you disqualify them too? Mitt’s made it as clear as he can that if elected, he answers to the US and the American people, not the LDS church. Your rank bigotry is vile. Lemme guess, you wouldn’t want any of us Mackerel-snapping Papists in the White House either.

Nor do they want someone blaming America for all the troubles in the world either (got that one right did you).

English Muthafucka, do you speak it? Is this a Democrat? McCain? It ain’t Fred. Gee, maybe you’re talking about Huck himself,

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/12/14/quote-of-the-day-169/

Lets see you explain that one away, chump.

No political correctness here.

No firing neurons either, I see.

Christians are fed up with the atheists, evolutionists, secularist, homosexuals, and everyone else taken over most everything the Christians started and ruining good institutions like…

You and ol’ Huck are gonna cast ‘em into the fiery furnace, right? I wondered what the hell happened to the God Warrior lady…

There are plenty of Atheists who are solid conservatives, just because someone doesn’t believe in God doesn’t make them unworthy of the conservative movement. You oughta pay attention to them on this, a big government is NEVER a good thing for a church. EVER. You oughta know better than any.

Bush has been bad for religion, whether you believe it or not, and Huck would be worse. The more powerful government gets, the weaker a church gets, don’t believe me, look at Europe. They turned the gov’t into a mission church and now the only religion there is fundie islam.

Evolution? I’m not even getting into it, people who whine about evolution aren’t worth arguing with, they’re losing the argument, and have nothing but to rant and froth.

Secularists, I’ll partially cede to you, but given this Huck development, I’m giving them a little credence, people like you are injecting way too much religion into politics. I agree most are just dicks who want to harass Christians, but you’re giving them validity…good job, jackass.

And gays…I’m not gonna even get into it, its not worth it. ZOMG!!!!1!1eleventy!!1 WE HAS TO STOP TEH QUEER MENACE!!!1!1 Good grief, face it, like evolution, you’re losing that argument, gays are becoming accepted in society, teh ghey is a biological thing, and all this effort to push for the FMA is an effort to subsidize traditional religious thought, because that position is losing.

Yes, Harvard, Yale, and Princeton were once Christian schools, funded by the government and families that could afford it. Most of the colleges in the United States that started over 300 years ago were Bible-proclaiming schools originally. Now look at your Universities – an infestation of liberal nut cases who favor America’s enemies over America itself! (ie, Iran’s president Ahmadinnerjacket’s invitation at Columbia University to speak – they clapped and cheered him on!!).

And you think Big Gov’t Huck will reverse that? Sorry pal, gov’t growth=weakening church and religion. You know its true. If you think you’re gonna turn the gov’t into a big mission church, you’re gonna fail, and we’ll end up with Europe v. 2.0 You need a small gov’t conservative, and Huck is about the worst choice for that.

We want a GOD fearing man in the White House. Mike Huckabee is a good start! We’ll throw in Duncan Hunter or Tancredo as Vice President too!!

We need someone with substance, not a preacher turned crappy politico. Start looking at Fred.

The only people trying to ruin Huckabee’s run to the top here are the right’s pundits, one of which, is Michelle Malkin. I’m usually a fan, but she has lost her mind on this one!!! Give your head a shake Michelle!

Nearly the entire dextrosphere hates him, including lots of evangelicals, this isn’t Northeast elite snobbery. Face it, you’re getting suckered by identity politicking from Huck, itself a liberal construct. You’re not acting like a conservative, you’re acting like a liberal. Wake the hell up.

Awesome post. I am a Huckabee fan, as you can easily tell by going to my blog. But I have always maintained that I will vote for the GOP nominee WHOEVER it is, including Giuliani or Romney. Mike Huckabee said the same thing in a debate he was in.

And yes, the hypocrisy is amusing by some of anti-Huckabee people. You wanted us to swallow a bitter pill and vote for your guy Giuliani or Romney, yet you aren’t willing to swallow that bitter pill for our guy Huck. That’s fundamentally unfair.

Whoever the GOP nominee is, they need our support, even if it’s somewhat begrudgingly.

Please consider the point in this article, it’s a powerful one.

And yes, the hypocrisy is amusing by some of anti-Huckabee people. You wanted us to swallow a bitter pill and vote for your guy Giuliani or Romney, yet you aren’t willing to swallow that bitter pill for our guy Huck. That’s fundamentally unfair.

Not everyone did that though, so you can’t dismiss everyone with that argument.

When Willard Mitt Romney ran against Teddy Kennedy, Willard ran to the LEFT of him…there is no amount of sane rationalization that could possibly suggest Romney is a republican, let alone, a conservative.

This isn’t high school boys and girls, your homework on a subject like this is mandatory in your responsibility as a citizen of America. Your family, neighbors, state and country depend on you to know what the heck you’re doing when you vote…Do the right thing!

Romney Signs Off On Permanent Assault Weapons Ban 7/8/04 “Deadly assault weapons have no place in Massachusetts,” Romney said, at a bill signing ceremony on July 1 with legislators, sportsmen’s groups and gun safety advocates. “These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people.” http://www.iberkshires.com/story.php?story_id=14812

Romney’s Long Time Hunter Boast Blasted http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/05/romney.hunting.ap/index.html

Will You Be Mitt Romney’s Cheap Date? http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/article3648.html/ Mitt Romney Retreats on Gun Control http://boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/01/14/romney _retreats_on_gun_control/

Mitt Romney Endorses Manchester GOP Fundraiser with Class III Weapons http://www.fosters.com:80/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070726/NEWS81/70726018

Substantiative Proof Romney Can’t Be Trusted Out of Sight, Let Alone, in The White House

Mass. Governor’s Rightward Shift Raises Questions http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/20/AR2006122002046.html

Mitt “What have I not lied to you about already” Romney: http://www.ethicsscoreboard.com/liars/0704_romney.html

Mitt’s Biggest Flop http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=11222

Romney Won’t Raise Your Taxes But, He Will Create More Fee’s And Raise Every Existing Fee In Sight so he can say he didn’t raise your taxes; http://www.newsmax.com/politics/romney_fees/2007/08/28/28054.html

Activists Remember a Different Romney http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/03/25/78/

Top Ten RINO’s ( Republican In Name Only ) http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=11129

Will The Real Romney Please Stand Up http://gunowners.org/pres08/romney.htm

The Real Romney? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9IJUkYUbvI

Mitt Romney Flip-Flops on hunting, abortion and iraq and dog http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PURfrORhWPc

You Can’t Trust Mitt Part 1: Abortion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNbGNHaNFtw&mode=related&search=

Mitt’s Biggest Flop http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=11222

My unwillingness to support Huckabee is for the same reason I couldn’t support Paul; the war on terror, which trumps all.

I’ve gotten some big blowback from evangelicals unwilling to support ‘the Mormon’ as well. Folks, I’d wish you’d all consider a middle ground here of Fred in all of this. The only one strong on the war on terror, the border and ‘family values’ (though he’s not a big church goer) with a shot to pull it off. If he just keeps rolling like he did at the debate and afterward.

We also need to start considering who would be best to take on Obama, as quickly as Hillary is imploding. It is becoming a real possibility that she’ll lose (though the 843 super-delegate are the real key on their side).

Anybody contemplate if we go to the convention with no clear winner? Won’t that be fun!

People need to vote for either Mitt or Fred, the only two viable conservatives runing. Huckabee is a disaster and I would NEVER vote for him. If evangelicals manage to get him nominated and he then loses big to Hillary I will hold them entirely responsible for handing our nation to the Democrats! Oh, and anyone who says that Huckabee is anything close to conservative needs to have their head examined. He is as liberal as Republicans get on immigration, foreign policy, and fiscal policy. Disaster! Wake up people!

“Christians are fed up with the atheists, evolutionists, secularist, homosexuals, and everyone else taken over most everything the Christians started and ruining good institutions like…”

You know, I put up with this shit in 2004 because the GWOT was my #1 issue and as an Army brat and a vet myself I found John Fucking Kerry to be the most offensive candidate in my lifetime. I won’t do it with Huckabee. That I have to hold my nose and try and settle my stomach to align with you people to win this war, since the Demfucks have taken complete leave of their senses, is bad enough. Now you just want to rub my nose into it out of spite? Well fuck you then and fuck Huckabee too. I will not vote for him and you overzealous nutjobs under any circumstance. Take the Mormon bishop with you too because I’m done with you fanatics. Since you want to make it personal sister, fine. Piss off the rest of the base and we’ll go elsewhere and your man will go down in flames come November. The Hildabeast or Obama will get in and guess what? Besides pissing away victory in the war, ENDA will be signed into law and DADT will be repealed for starters. Except for losing the war, that works for me. Watch as they pack the courts with REAL libs and you can kiss goodbye any progress against abortion for the next few decades too boot. Being pro-life I find that prospect to be scary. Sadly the 2nd Amendment will take a beating and gee, given how the libs already on SCOTUS have given us crap like Kelo one wonder what other goodies they’ll come up with? So try and bring your pulpit into the White House and you can forever kiss goodbye all these pet social issues you cling too as the Demfucks settle matters once they gain all levers of power. Go for it, sister. Make my fucking day.

See-Dub, is Ericksen really correct that Rudy reiterated those remarks on gov’t funded abortions this year? When Allah dug up that clip it was at least twenty years old.

I am going to restate what I said in Ace’s comments, for those of you who would never be seen dead in that low-class establishment.

With his populism, his wretched understanding of economics at home, his cluenessness of foreign policy abroad, and his open religiosity to the detriment of science - Michael Huckabee is the William Jennings Bryan of this generation.

During the primaries there are going to be many candidates similar to Huckabee also running. Where Huckabee wins his primaries, those candidates will win theirs. In the national election, if Huckabee is on the ticket - he will lose, and lose big, but Huckabee-like candidates will likely win in the “red precincts”.

In 2009, we can then expect a Senate with 60+ Democrats, and a House with 2/3 Democrats and the remaining 1/3 at least evenly split between the old sorts of Republican (themselves divided) and a bloc of “Neo-Populist” pseudo-Republicans. Expect the same at the state level. If matters carry on, Huckabee’s neo-Populists will own the Republican party apparatus.

Huckabee will be like Goldwater (if Goldwater had the brain of William Jennings Bryan); a man who changed the face of his party for half a century.

Even if you’re a social conservative, you need to stop and think. Ask yourselves how this country will fare if there is a bipartisan consensus between Democrats and neo-Populist nice-guy Republicans for decades. This consensus will span: taxes, healthcare, entitlements, foreign policy, interrogations of terrorists, and on and on. You might get prayer in school, but it’ll be ecumenical; you might get local school boards allowed to “question Darwinism”, but they’ll be irrelevant to the national issues listed before.

Oh for a Bryant! When will be rid of the Rudybots, Ronulians and other RINOs who can’t ever seem to get out of their ivory towers and country clubs to address the issues that interest the base. When they deign to speak we hear the same secular, grow government, big spending, foreign policy nonsense that can only come from those confined to Amherst. But since these same Upper East side zombies believe the universe revolves around Amherst they will never get it. Hence the Bushies and the McCains.

I have no use for the same idiots thapushed Powell, Rice, McCain, and now Hiuckabee. If they want a dhimmierat then vote for the Hildabeast. I want a conservative, not one who promises everything once the polls have shown that an issue is so overwhelming that to go against it is death.

The GOP will win if it offers a clear choice to voters and will die if it offers another compassionate conservative (read RINO).

Once the botox afflicted stop telling us about their superiority (once they leaVE THEIR 12 STEP PRGRAMS AND THEIR KIDS SEE THEIR PAROLE OFFICERS) maybe someone will take time to listen to the base. Anyone who believes that a 500 voter or 1,000 voter sample reflects the nations sentiments correctly must be interested in some prime swampland I own in Tehran.

From an economic conservative to religious conservatives supporting Mike Huckabee:

Do you really want to go here? Really? The conservative “coalition” has always held together because social conservatives and economic conservatives have so often arrived at the same place notwithstanding different routes to get there. Among other issues we have always more or less agreed upon: We both want individual freedom, but leaders who aren’t afraid to use the soapbox to push fatraditional family values and to condemn bad life choices. We both want smaller government, less-intrusive regulation of private business affairs, less taxes, less spending and more States’ rights. We both want more choice in education. We both want judges who respect their constitutional role as judges and do not engage in legislation mascarading as jurisprudence. We want our President to place as his/her highest priority, the protection of the lives and property of the US Citizens against foreign and domestic threats.

On certain issues we have parted ways. You have long trumpted your caue of protecting the rights of the unborn, while others in the party have spanned the spectrum of pro-choice, to (like myself and apparently America’s Mayor, Pro-life, but subject to the higher value of individual freedom which permits some to make a different choice) [And no, I am not inviting debate here…]

And now here we are. A blog entry that starts out with the proposition that we economic conservatives stomped out feet for your support for Giuliani because he was “mostly conservative” (meaning he stands for most of the tings we both agree upon above), so now that Huckabee is the putative front-runner we economic conservatives should fall in line for Huck. Um.…am I the only one that sees the clear flaw in this argument? With Giuliani, you got someone who MOSTLY stood for things you believed in. With Huckabee, we get NOTHING.

Personally, terrorism is my number one concern. I find myself aghast at my own though process when I compare the probable response to a terrorist attack by Clinton vs Huckabee. The first woman President who will liely want to dispell all doubts about her ability to stongly and boldly respond, or a “compasionate conservative” with a history of forgiving the most vile amd evil domestic criminals, apparently because of his Christian beliuef in foregivness.…Blecht. How did we arrive here? How is it that I would actually consider voting for a democrat in a national election?!

You guys REALLY want to do this?

Anyone who is a Dem, once they’re sworn in will feel they have to prove that they aren’t another Jimmy Carter when it comes to foreign policy. I can squeeze more desperate optimism out of a dem that needs to prove something then Huck.

So voting for Hillary or Obama wouldn’t be an act of spite if Huck gets nominated. It’s just the lesser of two evils on my #1 issue.

If evangelicals want a pro-life candidate, but they sneer at Mitt because he’s a Mormon, then they are unserious and completely unable to compromise. They’ve been pissed on by the media, so they piss back in all directions. It will hurt them in the end, but it will also hurt the rest of the US.

This is a test.

I want to see if I can post a link. I always get blocked trying to.

How do you post links anyhow?

WATCH (4min) In God We Trust http://www.interviewwithgod.com/patriotic/patrioticwebstream.swf

This is a test.

How do you post a message on this blog without getting blocked? It’s so silly. I try to post a link and the message filter blocks my IP.

Sinister said, “Know what, I’m in a fightin’ mood, let’s do this,” Apacallyps replies: I thought you liberal sissies didn’t drop the gloves cuz in your eyes the enemy just needed a hug. I was ready a all along :-); Let’s get it on.

Sinister said, “There’s that Northeastern RINO elitism we’ve heard so much abou…oh wait!” Apacallyps replies: I’m no liberal. YOUR the liberal slash conservative. You’ve heard of the far right? Well, I’m far right of that!!

Sinister said, “My name describes a classic arcade game. BEWARE I LIVE!” Apacallyps replies: My name describes complete and utter destruction. Kinda like what’s gonna happen to your post when I’m done with it.

Sinister said, “I noted Rudy would be nearly as damaging to the coalition as Huck, implying his abysmal record on abortion, among other things.” Apacallyps replies: I don’t like Rudy Giuliani. I don’t think that Rudy is going to be the Republican candidate. He may be. But, my guess is he won’t be. Because I think even for crazy Republican voters who picked people like Bush, even for them he’s too left wing.

Sinister said, “Mitt’s made it as clear as he can that if elected, he answers to the US and the American people, not the LDS church. Your rank bigotry is vile.” Apacallyps replies: This is the typical response from liberals, you always declare a person racist when they won’t exercise televisions politically correctness. You’ve adopted the same smear tactics routinely used by the far-left Air America radio network and displayed daily on the nutty political blogs. I’ll say it again lefty, the Mormons want people to think they are Christians, but they are NOT Christians! They believe all kinds of strange things. And it’s an offensive to any true Bible-believing Christians to say that they are Christians! Huck should have stuck to his guns and demanded a comprehensive answer to the question, “Do Mormons believe Jesus and Satan were brothers?” WHY??? Because the official website of the Mormon church explicitly makes the sibling connection between Jesus and Lucifer a matter of official Mormon doctrine!!:

“On first hearing, the doctrine that Lucifer and our Lord, Jesus Christ, are brothers may seem surprising to some – especially to those unacquainted with latter-day revelations,” says the statement. “But both the scriptures and the prophets affirm that Jesus Christ and Lucifer are indeed offspring of our Heavenly Father and, therefore, spirit brothers. Jesus Christ was with the Father from the beginning. Lucifer, too, was an angel “who was in authority in the presence of God,” a “son of the morning.” (See Isa. 14:12; D&C 76:25–27.) Both Jesus and Lucifer were strong leaders with great knowledge and influence. But as the Firstborn of the Father, Jesus was Lucifer’s older brother. (See Col. 1:15; D&C 93:21.)”

You want to call someone a bigot, ask the LDS church about Blacks! Until 1978, Blacks were not eligible to hold the priesthood or participate in certain temple ordinances. The Bible says in Acts 17:26 that God has “made of ONE BLOOD all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth.” And in Malachi 2:10 it says, “Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us?” I do know this, all nations are of one blood, and we are not superior to the blacks, or the Orientals, or any other color, just because we may be white. We are all the same, and I am very much against racism!

Sinister said, “Gee, maybe you’re talking about Huck himself.” (link to his article deleted by forum filters) Apacallyps replies: You certainly seem to have cherry-picked your sources. What you have stated is one-sided at best, and falsehoods at worst. A two-sided statement is more respected by the general public than just spewing what you have read on anti-ANYTHING. If you want to be a journalist, RESEARCH!!!

HUCKABEE ON TERROR - “There’s no peaceful co-existence, there’s no accommodation, there’s no naïve nonsense that if we leave them alone they leave us alone. This is a war someone will win and someone will lose,” he told WND during an exclusive one-on-one interview. “Whoever perseveres and whoever has the strongest will, will in fact win and that’s why we can’t give up,” he said. Article at WorldnetDaily. He also opposes international judicial jurisdiction over the United States and believes that judges who cite international law in their U.S. court opinions should be impeached. PS — Oh, yeah, the other thing: Like some in this PC world, Huck’s not afraid to use the word “Islamofascism”.

Sinister said, “There are plenty of Atheists who are solid conservatives.” Apacallyps replies: I agree.

Sinister said, “Big government is NEVER a good thing for a church. EVER. You oughta know better than any.” Apacallyps replies: I know. But, Huckabee’s a fiscal conservative. Check out Dick Morris dot com for nice article on this.

Sinister said, “Bush has been bad for religion, whether you believe it or not, and Huck would be worse.” Apacallyps replies: True. Bush has been horrible for Christians. Mike Huckabee won’t be.

Sinister said, “Look at Europe. They turned the gov’t into a mission church and now the only religion there is fundie islam.” Apacallyps replies: European mission Church? What are you talking about? The EU abandoned their Christian heritage and all references to God in the new EU Constitution. Even German chancellor Angela Merkel complained about this. The rise of Islam in Europe has nothing to do with God and everything to do with the fact that the EU has abandoned their Christian values. The only real opposition in Europe to Islam (was) Christianity. Europe has replaced God with the new “politically correct society!” Very stupid. Now Islam will use EU law to infiltrate society and grow. The very same thing is happening in your politically correct America Sinister where you call people bigots when they try to sound the alarm about false religions. WAKE UP!

Sinister said, “Evolution?” Apacallyps replies: Lot’s of them are telling people that if you move up your family tree far enough great great great great great grandpa was a monkey swinging from a tree, but ask them where is the proof? Out of the millions of fossils in the world, not one transitional form has been found. All known species show up abruptly in the fossil record, without intermediate forms, thus contributing to the fact of special creation. Evolution teaches that in the beginning there was nothing then it exploded. Think about this for a minute. Everyone knows that that matter could not come from nothing exploding. Yet, they put this in your science book. This is what they believe. It is ridiculous! They do not have another choice except, “God created the heaven and the earth.”

Sinister said, “And gays…Good grief, face it, like evolution, you’re losing that argument, gays are becoming accepted in society.” Apacallyps replies: “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” Leviticus 20:13

Sinister said, “We need someone with substance, not a preacher turned crappy politico. Start looking at Fred.” Apacallyps replies: I feel like taking a nap whenever Fred speaks.

Sinister said, “Nearly the entire dextrosphere hates him.” (re: Mike Huckabee) Apacallyps replies: Listen to me, In 1777, Congress voted to spend $300,000 to purchase Bibles which were to be distributed throughout the 13 colonies! And in 1782, the United States Congress declared, “The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.” One of the more notable founding fathers Patrick Henry (1736-99) declared: “This great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.” Some of you better recognize that you are losing America! You are losing your nations identity and with it a new dangerous one has arisen. In 1787 Benjamin Franklin said, “I’ve lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing Proofs I see of this Truth — That God governs in the Affairs of Men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his Notice, is it probable that an Empire can rise without his Aid?”

Sinister said, “You’re not acting like a conservative, you’re acting like a liberal. Wake the hell up.” Apacallyps replies: NO! It’s time you wake up Sinister! Ronald Reagan said in 1984, “America needs God more than God needs America. If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under.” I am going to offer my support for Mike Huckabee. He is much better compared to the others. He’s not as conservative on all of the issues I’d like, but right now a big thing with me is getting this nation back in good standing with the LORD. With the way this world is going and with our enemies all around us, the only one that can save us is GOD, but He won’t save you and me if we don’t want Him. Huckabee is the only candidate who has a chance at getting elected that on paper has positions Christians can support. That’s why I support him.

“I didn’t get into politics because I thought government had a better answer. I got into politics because I knew government didn’t have the real answers, that the real answers lie in accepting Jesus Christ into our lives… I hope we answer the alarm clock and take this nation back for Christ.” Mike Huckabee 1998

“What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?” Romans 8:31

And when Huckabee drops out and endorses Giuliani, what will you do?

JasonS: You want “individual freedom”? apacallyps doesn’t.

Apacallyps wants your tax money to purchase (Protestant) Bibles, and to force that version upon schools. You want “smaller government”; see above. You want “less-intrusive regulation of private business affairs”; see above. You want “less taxes, less spending and more States’ rights”; see above. You want “more choice in education”; see above. You want “judges who respect their constitutional role as judges and do not engage in legislation mas[que]rading as jurisprudence”; a judge whom Huckabee would install would have to apacallyps’s programme, impossible under current jurisprudence.

Also, Apacallyps is quoting an email fraud with his Patrick Henry quotes. A quick look through Snopes uncovered that one. Presumably he wants this taught in schools as well. (At least our taxes will go down once Apacallyps wins the Nigerian Lottery.)

Lastly, Jason, you say you want “our President to place as his/her highest priority, the protection of the lives and property of the US Citizens against foreign and domestic threats”. Apacallyps’s highest priority is saving your soul against Lucifer. (Actually, that’s being charitable. What animates a lot of those on his side is the prospect of poking the eyes of the “new secular order”, the people who keep sneering at good old-fashioned Christians like him.)

Apacallyps, and other statist evangelicals, start with a mission to get the State to establish Protestant Christianity. Where they speak of limited government, it is only because the State is against them; but with the prospect of a State which is for them, they will make common cause with the William Jennings Bryan social-gospel wing of their faith.

Apacallyps speaks in third person, people who speak in third person are always douches, I win.

Apacallyps is a theocrat, I have to do nothing more than to point out that when you get the church too heavily mixed into politics, it always poisons the church, and men turn away from God, and the state grows. There are countless examples. No amount of Bible thumping is going to change human nature, only God, and God does things on His terms, not ours.

As for Europe, they have abandoned the Christian church, because the church’s traditional role in society has been completely taken over by Government. This is what you fail to see, Judaism and Christianity collapse as government grows in Western society.

When government grows, people no longer look to God, their church, and their community for help, they look to government, and that’s when gov’t puts the shackles on. By growing government, you allow all the people you profess to hate sap the ground underneath your feet, and they’ll bring it all down around your ears. With us more libertarian conservatives, the church can thrive, under the left, which is where big government takes you, the churches won’t live. Its why I’m so frustrated by the Pope and the Church’s refusal to acknowledge capitalism and liberty as a virtue.

I don’t care what Dick Morris says, he’s slimier than 30 trial lawyers and a cadre of used car salesmen distilled into one man. I like the guy, but still, he’s a slimy mofo. And I’m amazed such a Bible-thumper would hold a guy who brought the Clintons to victory and got busted with hookers in such high regard. Huck is a big gov’t guy, he’s talking the talk now, but he walked the Democrat walk for a decade before. Did he have a sudden Revelation? Look at the Club for Growth’s profile on this guy, he’s baaaaad news, he’s a centralizer and grower of gov’t.

I feel like taking a nap whenever Fred speaks.

He has more substance than anyone running, the fact that you need a President that entertains you first says an awful lot about you. Unfortunately.

Bottom line, you can’t win without us, you have an arm and a pistol to hold to the head of the conservative coalition…so do we. I’m no liberal, I confess to having a potent libertarian streak, and I’m not about to live under statists or Nanny Staters from the left or the right without a fight, many others feel the same way.

The reason I had to submit my post like that was because this blog wouldn’t take my post otherwise. Apacallyps doesn’t talk in the third person. First off, you guys really have to settle down. Christians are the last people you need to worry about.

Jesus said, “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.” Matthew 22:37-40

We try to follow the so-called Golden rule of conduct: “Judge not, that ye be not judged.” Matthew 7:1

You shoulg give them a little more credit because whether you like it or not makes no difference, your great nation was founded on Christian values. Christianity shaped the American Constitution. As far as big Govt. I don’t want it. So far it’s only speculation the Huckster will increase it’s size. And Dick Morris, I’m hardly a fan of anyone who supports the left, I thought he wrote a fair article though on Huckabee as a fiscal conservative, which he is. And it is true that Judeo-Christianity collapses as government grows. Your 100% right. No arguing with that.

What you fail to understand is that the Judeo-Christian values that gave birth to YOUR Western Civilization are under attack externally by Islam and internally by secularism. Oddly, both the left and the Islamofascists function as two blades on a set of scissors, they are independent yet working together to shred the fabric of Western culture. So the longer you bash Christians and opt for a non-Christian President, the faster your nation is going to fall. America will fail because you don’t want God in your lives and He was the one protecting you all along.

“If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.” 2 Chronicles 7:14

So go ahead and bash Huckabee, cause he may be the last chance you have to turn things around.

My Tribute to the American Founding Fathers (4 minutes) http://www.interviewwithgod.com/patriotic/patrioticwebstream.swf

Where things began to go wrong:

The Day They Kicked God Out Of The Schools http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNjpddyn0HE

I agree with apacallyps. The best candidate for the republican nomination is Huckabee.

Where things began to go wrong:

The Day They Kicked God Out Of The Schools

Wrong, they didn’t “kick God out of public schools”, they stopped Protestants from forcing Catholics and others to study Protestant orthodoxy and Protestant Bibles. Which is why there were/are so many Catholic schools.

The problem has never been kicking God out of Schools, its been about the monopoly of the public school system. If you broke the monopoly, created a voucher system or a free market system, you could send kids to a proper school, better schools, ones that reflect your values.

The biggest impediment to improving education is the NEA. Until you break it, you’ll never break the monopoly. Huck is endorsed by the NEA. Kiss of Death.

When Fred declared the NEA the biggest impediment to the education system, that was perfect. If the NEA looks at you like your the Antichrist, you ARE the education candidate. For my money, when Fred took a shot at the bow of the NEA, it only confirmed that to me.

So the longer you bash Christians and opt for a non-Christian President, the faster your nation is going to fall. America will fail because you don’t want God in your lives and He was the one protecting you all along.

Who’s bashing Christians? Are you saying we can never have a non-Christian president? What about a Jew? Can we have a Jewish President? What about an Eastern Orthodox? Do you consider them Christian? Do Catholics count?

And beyond that, Fred’s a Protestant Christian. I’m supporting Fred, you’ll remember that Reagan wasn’t exactly a big churchy guy either.

As for the rest, how is not supporting Huck rejecting God and not wanting Him in my life? You presume a lot claiming to speak for Him. I want God in my life, most do. However, I base my vote on policy and record, not on the guy who does the loudest shoutout to Jesus. Fred’s record and policies, while not perfect, are legion better than Huckabee’s.

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I don’t care what anyone says on Huck or his miraculous last minute conversions on small gov’t and immigration, I go by his record and policies, and how he answers questions posed. This was the same guy calling Club for Growth the Club for Greed, growing gov’t and raising taxes in Arkansas. I don’t care about his 11th hour conversions, you can put lipstick on a pig…

He went and released scores of criminals, much more than Clinton and several Democrats combined, and more than six neighboring states. Many who went on to commit more crimes, you can argue he oversaw a lot of executions, but that’s like saying its cool to rob a bank as long as you give a chunk of the score to a homeless shelter.

He called a guy who wanted to enforce tough immigration law unchristian, that’s crap, and shows a real nasty side to the Huckster. He’s been a supporter of LULAC and other open borders boosters, as well as agribusinesses that abuse labor law by hiring illegals. He had a looong record of supporting amnesty before he decided to run.

He wants to ban smoking in the workplace, I’m not about to put up with Morality Police, and I rarely smoke beyond the occasional cigar.

And really, he’s all over the place on foreign issues, I don’t think he knows what the hell he’s talking about.

He’s got nothing…

I agree with ADC. The best candidate for the Republican nomination is Huckabee.